From: Christophe Grandsire (christophe.grandsire@free.fr)
Date: Sun May 04 2003 - 01:09:00 EST
En réponse à Jan van Steenbergen :
> --- John Cowan skrzypszy:
>
> > > Notes: |Xuru| is a concatenation of securus, not a
> > > loan from English. ;-) |Dinner| is from
> > > iter, itineris.
>
>Has "iter, itineris" survived in any Romance natlang?
Only in reborrowings AFAIK. French has "itinéraire" for instance.
> When working on the
>translation, I had to create this word instantly, and it caused me some
>trouble. At last, I chose "wiask" (cf. Fr. "voyage", It. "viaggio") for
>"journey", and along with that "wiaskar" for "travel". I already had the word
>"wiatórz" for "traveller".
Narbonósc has IIRC "viage" /"vjaZ/, "viageâre" /vja"Zar/ and "viageour"
/vja"Zu/ for the same meanings. But knowing the language, it wouldn't
surprise me if some borrowing from Classical Latin was taken early on (by
the troubadours for instance) and evolved with a twist of meaning. After
all, it has "formage" for "cheese" and the outcome of Latin "caseus" is
"caes" /"ke/ but means "yoghurt" :)) .
>And French has both "sûreté" and "sécurité". A nice example of cases where the
>same Latin word makes it entrance into a language twice.
Indeed :)) . French is full of those doubles :)) . For instance "récupérer"
and "recouvrer" (which is doubly strange since the late borrowing
"récupérer" has become normal in speech while the older "recouvrer" has
taken a special meaning - related to taxes - which makes it now high-level
language :))) ), or "naviguer" and "nager" (with "nager" changing meaning
and replacing Old French "noer": to swim). The French vocabulary is a true
nightmare of borrowings and reborrowings from different French dialects and
Latin, shifts of meanings, popular etymologies becoming rule, etc...
Christophe Grandsire.
http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr
You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.
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