From: Costentin Cornomorus (elemtilas@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Jul 07 2003 - 05:20:28 EST
--- Christian Thalmann <cinga@gmx.net> wrote:
> Ever since I've decided to remove noun and
> adjective inflections
> from Modern Jovian, restricting those to the
> articles, personal
> pronouns and the relative pronoun, I've
> encountered numerous
> problems trying to mark case in situations
> where none of these pronouns apply.
>
> But what about |nuolu| "no, none"? |U nuolu|
> "a none" and |is
> nuolu| "the none" don't make sense.
Well, yeah. In English they don't make sense! In
Kerno, we find il neyan = the no one.
> The same goes for |oene| "every".
Y chascyn = the every; Y h-ol (arch.)
> My solution here is a
> Germanic-sounding construction:
> |nuolu u mare| [nu@lz @ ma:r] "none a man",
> |oene a obe| [Ajn
> @n o:b] "every a means" etc. This allows
> inflected phrases like
> |oene ni obe| [Ajn ni o:b] "by every means".
Cool. In Kerno, you'd just say il nien om = the
no man.
> This still leaves other problems with
> uncountable quantities.
> How do you say "of water", as in "a glass of
> water"?
d' acoua? :) georrackow d' acoua.
> Neither |ys auga| [yz awg] "of the water" nor
> |nys auga| [nyz awg]
> "of a water" seem to work. Of course, one
> could define an
> idiomatic use of either article in this
> situation, but I
> wonder whether it wouldn't lead to ambiguities.
Naturally. You could say georrackow l' acoua;
which leads to the "is the jar _made of_ water or
_for the use of_ water" question.
Common sense, however, goes quite far in
overriding logical problems like that.
> Does anyone have alternate ideas for the
> creation of a
> partitive article like du/des in French? I
> can't think of a fitting Latin root...
Could you use a different preposition or a
different pronoun set even?
Padraic.
=====
beuyont alch geont la ciay la cina
mangeiont alch geont y faues la lima;
pe' ne m' molestyont
que faciont
doazque y facyont in rima.
.
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