From: Mangiat (mangiat@tin.it)
Date: Wed May 22 2002 - 00:54:32 EST
> >From: "Mangiat" <mangiat@tin.it>
> >Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:26:35 +0200
> >
> >Where you meet an initial _s_, as in Italian _sei_, _siete_, Sicilian
_si_,
> >_siti_, _, Lombard _seet_ [se:t], _sii_ [si:] that's analogy with the _s_
> >in
> >the 1st sg. + the regular ending (from Latin -tis).
> >
>
> Interesting. Would I be imposing if I asked for the conjugation in
Lombard?
Certainly not;-) inf.: vess
pres. (I will include also pronouns and pronominal proclitics): mi (a) sont
[mI a suNt], ti te seet [tI te se:t], lù/lee l'è [lY lE]/[le: lE], nun (a)
semm [nYN a sEm], vialter (a) sii [vjalter a si:], lor (i) hinn [lu:r jIn].
I will list you also Aemilian and Friulian inf. and aff. (these langs have
particular conjugation for interrogative also) pr. tense:
Aem.: inf: èsser; pr.: mé a sòn, té t'î, ló l'é, nó a sèn, vó a sî, lòur i
én;
Fr.: inf.: jessi; pr.: o soi, tu sês, al è, o sin, o sês, a son.
Unfortunately I don't have other dictionaries/grammars at hand...
> > > I'm assuming that the others are suppletive forms and not out right
> > > coinages. Which verms do the other forms come from???
> >
> >If you are interested in odd forms, here's archaic Italian _enno_,
Ligurian
> >_en_, Lombard _hinn_, meaning _they are_;
>
> Where do *these* forms come from. They are *way* cool.
Sorry, I lack infoes about where *these* are from:-)
Christophe:
>French comes from STARE: to stand up, Spanish from SEDERE: to sit. I'd
guess
>Romanian comes from FI: to become, though I wouldn't bet on it...
STARE > ESTARE ok, that's the normal French development; but how's it
possible that the stress shifts on the *first* syllable (in French???) and
give EST(A)RE? If it were from STARE I'd expect *éter, not e^tre.. any
ideas? And about Spanish estar/ser: which are their respective uses? I seem
to recall positional verb/copula, respectively, but I'm not sure...
Luca
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