Re: [romanceconlang] North African Vulgar Latin

From: Barry Garcia (barry_garcia@csumb.edu)
Date: Fri May 03 2002 - 16:25:37 EST


romanceconlang@yahoogroups.com writes:
>Okay, here I am back with another quandry. I'm trying to decide how
>L-clusters develop. I'm looking at CL, PL, and FL and I've come up with
>three possible senarios. Are any of them inherently implausible? Any of
>them especially appealing? At present I'm leaning toward the third
>choice.
>
>3rd option
>
>CL > /pl/
>PL > /fl/
>FL > /S/

What's the evolution of CL > /pl/?

I'm also a bit conflicted on these. Originally in Montreiano I had them
change to:

CL>/gj/ - OCULUS > OCLUS > oquio > oguio
PL>/bj/ - PLENA > piena > biena
FL>/vj/ - FLOREM > fiore > vior

But i'm not quite sure if i'm too happy with it (let's just say i'm mostly
settled). The changes seem logical to me though.

>
>Well, what think you?

I like it. A lot different than I have seen. More creative than What I
came up with :).
>
>I'm also trying to decide what to do with initial S-clusters. I know
>Spanish, Portuguese and French (and I assume Catalan and Occitan?) add an
>epenthetic vowel. I know Italian (and IIRC Romanian) doesn't. What does
>Romansh do? Sardinian? Sicilian? Does anyone know if North African
>(Algeria & Tunisia) Arabic likes initial "S", "F", etc. or no? What
>about
>"R"?
>
I set the rule that no epenthetic vowel would be placed in front of an
s+stop initially. I like it a lot. In fact, s changes to /S/ when next to
a stop in any position.:

STARE > star /Star/
STADIUM > staio /Stajo/
pastorau /paStorau/

A small question of mine if i'm not imposing on your thread :), is it
realistic for the intervocalic g in Spanish (is it /G/?) to evolve into
the glide /j/? If so, i think it's the final change needed to make me
totally happy with Montreiano:

orig: avogáo (lawyer), new: avoyáo

*note: i'm using y now for two things: to make sure what originally would
be written as i is read as /j/ as in the above: avoiáo (could be
misinterpreted as /avoj?'au/ instead of the proper /avo'ja?o/ ). Also to
break up what i call "vowel monotony" (too many vowels in a row, such as
in cavauiairo, now: cavauyairo).



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