From: Adam Walker (carrajena@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon May 12 2003 - 20:27:45 EST
That table is quite nice. I've sort of done the same
thing but much more haphazardly. There are several of
your columns which I haven't touched yet. And
Carrajena will have a triple valency in its
demonstratives (here, there and yon) but I only have
the here (fistu) and there (isu) worked out so far.
All these little function words -- conjunctions,
demonstratives, pronouns, articles, prepositions --
eat an inordinate amount of time.
--- Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> --- Adam Walker skrzypszy:
>
> > Have any real Romlangs borrowed any interrogatives
> > from non-Latin/Romance sources?
>
> Not that I know of. This is not the kind of words
> that language borrow from
> other language, I'd say. Rather they would create
> new ones based on other
> inherited stuff, like french "Pourquoi".
>
That's what I knew and why I was asking if anyone
could think of an example from real life. I didn't
expect any to be forthcome, but occasionally something
pops up utterly unexpected.
> > Currently, I'm leaning toward the following
> scheme:
> >
> > Fin Who
> > Fid What
> > Pali What
> > Pun When
> > Pervi Why
> > Jundi Where
> > Pomu How
> > Pandu How much/many
> > Pochi How often
>
> Yes, I agree with your choices. If I understand you
> correctly, you are
> hesitating between "jundi" and "pa" for "where", and
> between "pervi" and "pu"
> for "why". I think you do right if you go for those
> forms that are easier
> distinguished from other interrogatives.
>
> "Which" seems to have disappeared from the list,
> BTW.
Oops! Now how did that happen? which is either fi or
pali. I think it will likely be identical with what.
But I *might* differentiate.
>
> > But I could change my mind entirely at any moment.
>
> > Conlangers perrogative, you know. What say you?
>
> Have you considered making a table of correlatives?
> IMO it is an excellent tool
> for creating this kind of vocabulary and
> understanding some of the mechanisms
> of the language itself. I did something like that
> for Wenedyk, and this is what
> I came up with (I hope it shows up correctly):
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Inter- | Demonstrative |
> Indefinite
> |rogative| here | there | none |
> some | all | any (1)
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> person czy il\ iwial\ nieczy
> alczy tocy
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> object ko'd il\ iwial\ nio'l\
> alko'd tot
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> quality (2) kwal tal - nul\
> alkwal kaszkun
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> quantity kwa~t ta~t - nul\ -
> tot
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> method komo'd szyk - -
> kodamo'd -
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> reason prokoz^u prol\u - -
> alku -
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> time kwa~du ne~k te~k ne~kwa
> alkwa~du sia~prz
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> place wa~dz' jeszyc - nuszwa
> alka~dz' ubiecz
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> source zia~dz' ziele~c ziwiele~c z'nia~dz'
> alzia~dz' -
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> destination ada~dz' ale~c awiele~c ania~dz'
> alada~dz' -
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> route kwalak il\ak iwial\ak -
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (1) There are created by adding the suffix "-ka~cz"
> to the interrogative:
> "czyka~cz" (anybody, whoever), "k鏚ka~cz"
(anything,
> whatever), etc.
> But: "uska~cz" (anywhere, whereever), "kuka~cz" (for
> whatever reason).
>
> (2) This can both mean "which" or "what kind of".
> So: "kwal" (which, what kind
> of), "tal" (such), "nul\" (no), "alkwal" (some),
> "kaszkun" (every, each).
>
> Of course, you can add columns at will (as a matter
> of fact, I also have a
> column for "many", "often", etc., but I left it out
> for reasons of space.
>
> Jan
>
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